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#1 2005-11-01 2:50 pm

NokX
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A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Subject: George Carlin on New Orleans - meant to delete from the original as the purpose of this thread was NOT to post things "said" by carlin, but to show some common sense points that apply to the recent disaster that are often overlooked

Edit: As Jaligard pointed out, this is NOT by George Carlin. http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/carlin.asp
- Oats


Been sitting here with my a-- in a wad, wanting to speak out about the bull---- going on in New Orleans. For the people of New Orleans... First we would like to say, Sorry for your loss. With that said, Lets go through a few hurricane rules: (Unlike an earthquake, we know it's coming)

#1. A mandatory evacuation means just that..Get the hell out. Don't blame the Government after they tell you to go. If they hadn't said anything, I can see the argument. They said get out... if you didn't, it's your fault, not theirs. (We don't want to hear it, even if you don't have a car, you can get out.)

#2. If there is an emergency, stock up on water and non perishables. If you didn't do this, it's not the Government's fault you're starving.

#2a. If you run out of food and water, find a store that has some. (Remember, shoes, TV's, DVD's and CD's are not edible. Leave them alone.)

#2b. If the local store has been looted of food or water, leave your neighbor's TV and stereo alone. (See # 2a) They worked hard to get their stuff. Just because they were smart enough to leave during a mandatory evacuation, doesn't give you the right to take their stuff...it's theirs, not yours.

#3. If someone comes in to help you, don't shoot at them and then complain no one is helping you. I'm not getting shot to help save some dumb a-- who didn't leave when told to do so.

#4. If you are in your house that is completely under water, your belongings are probably too far gone for anyone to want them. If someone does want them, let them have them and hopefully they'll die in the filth. Just leave!

(It's New Orleans, find a voodoo warrior and put a curse on them)

#5. My tax money should not pay to rebuild a 2 million dollar house, a sports stadium or a floating casino. Also, my tax money shouldn't go to rebuild a city that is under sea level. You wouldn't build your house on quicksand would you? You want to live below sea-level, do your country some good and join the Navy.

#6. Regardless of what the Poverty Pimps Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton want you to believe, The US Government didn't create the Hurricane as a way to eradicate the black people of New Orleans; (Neither did Russia as a way to destroy America). The US Government didn't cause global warming that caused the hurricane (We've been coming out of an ice age for over a million years).

#7. The government isn't responsible for giving you anything. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, but you gotta work for what you want. McDonalds and Wal-Mart are always hiring, get a damn job and stop spooning off the people who are actually working for a living. President Kennedy said it best..."Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

edit: i agree with these points because just what kennedy said...makes so much sense.  the government isn't suppose to be your babysitter.  too many people simply rely on the government as if the government determines how their life is to be lived.  they lose their job, the government's fault - they loose their home to a storm, the government's fault - etc...

Last edited by NokX (2005-11-02 8:59 am)


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#2 2005-11-01 3:02 pm

Troutski
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Source?  Me thinks it is email urban legend and not George, but whadda I know.

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#3 2005-11-01 3:03 pm

[Tycho?]
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

**broad generalizations**

**simple and unrealistic solutions to complex problems**

Look, I can do it too!


I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you.  That amuses me.

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#4 2005-11-01 3:04 pm

Jaligard
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

George Carlin on the George Carlin on New Orleans email:

George Carlin wrote:

DON'T BLAME ME

Floating around the Internet these days, posted and e-mailed back and forth, are a number of writings attributed to me, and I want people to know they're not mine.  Don't blame me.

Some are essay-length, some are just short lists of one and two-line jokes, but if they're flyin' around the Internet, they're probably not mine. Occasionally, a couple of jokes on a long list might have come from me, but not often. And because most of this stuff is really lame, it's embarrassing to see my name on it.

And that's the problem. I want people to know that I take care with my writing, and try to keep my standards high. But most of this "humor" on the Internet is just plain stupid. I guess hard-core fans who follow my stuff closely would be able to spot the fake stuff, because the tone of voice is so different. But a casual fan has no way of knowing, and it bothers me that some people might believe I'd actually be capable of writing some of this stuff.

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/carlin.asp

Would you care to make the correction? A mistake is excusable, but we'll have to ask for your resignation if you can't take responsibility for spreading falsehood.


George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

George Bush: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to try to connect Iraq to the war on terror."

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#5 2005-11-01 3:14 pm

bedstuy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Looks like more plagiarism (this time from a falsified email but it still wasn't attributed to anything).  Ban, please.

Last edited by bedstuy (2005-11-01 3:15 pm)

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#6 2005-11-01 3:16 pm

Troutski
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

I guess hard-core fans who follow my stuff closely would be able to spot the fake stuff

That is what sent my radar beeping.  George is more clever than the email.

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#7 2005-11-01 3:35 pm

oatmeal
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Jaligard wrote:

George Carlin on the George Carlin on New Orleans email:

George Carlin wrote:

DON'T BLAME ME  **snip**

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/carlin.asp

Hey, thanks.

I was going to lock this since the source is false ...but what the hell, I'll leave it open for discussion.  It's interesting, after all.

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#8 2005-11-01 3:45 pm

bratboy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

More "wisdom" from one of the resident good "christians"...


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#9 2005-11-01 3:56 pm

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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

So are we discussing plagiarism, the general stupidity of the post(er), or falsely attributing some red neck bullsmurf to a well respected American satirist? What is the smurfing topic here?

In other words, NokX(ious) WHAT IS YOUR POINT?


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#10 2005-11-01 4:02 pm

oatmeal
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

iBubba wrote:

So are we discussing plagiarism, the general stupidity of the post(er), or falsely attributing some red neck bullsmurf to a well respected American satirist? What is the smurfing topic here?

In other words, NokX(ious) WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Well, he gave the source as it was presented to him, so it isn't plagiarism...

I'd have to say the topic is what's in the quote, whoever wrote it.  It's definitely not about the poster.

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#11 2005-11-01 4:09 pm

bratboy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

oatmeal wrote:

iBubba wrote:

So are we discussing plagiarism, the general stupidity of the post(er), or falsely attributing some red neck bullsmurf to a well respected American satirist? What is the smurfing topic here?

In other words, NokX(ious) WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Well, he gave the source as it was presented to him, so it isn't plagiarism...

I'd have to say the topic is what's in the quote, whoever wrote it.  It's definitely not about the poster.

I thought there was a rule requiring some sort of commentary...


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#12 2005-11-01 4:33 pm

iBubba
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

oatmeal wrote:

iBubba wrote:

So are we discussing plagiarism, the general stupidity of the post(er), or falsely attributing some red neck bullsmurf to a well respected American satirist? What is the smurfing topic here?

In other words, NokX(ious) WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Well, he gave the source as it was presented to him, so it isn't plagiarism...

Did he? Maybe I need to get my glasses checked. No link to anything remotely George Carlin. No source cited. Not even a, "hey, I got this as an e-mail from my Grandpa!" For all I know, NokX made this up all on his own... (and what a stretch that would be.)


Just sayin'
  \
shrug

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#13 2005-11-01 4:43 pm

oatmeal
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

iBubba wrote:

oatmeal wrote:

Well, he gave the source as it was presented to him*, so it isn't plagiarism...

Did he?

NokX wrote:

Subject: George Carlin on New Orleans

*IE: as in the title of an email.

No, it's not a great job of giving a source, or investigating whether the quote actually originated from the person it was attributed to... but it's considerably better than presenting it as if he had written it himself.

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#14 2005-11-01 4:47 pm

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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

it's OK with me.
whatever the source, I not only laffed, but I agree with it.
but what do I know, I shun liberalism and feel you should work for what you get.

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#15 2005-11-01 4:50 pm

bratboy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

macnuke wrote:

it's OK with me.
whatever the source, I not only laffed, but I agree with it.
but what do I know, I shun liberalism and feel you should work for what you get.

Shocking.

roll

I'm not sure what it has to do with "liberalism" by the way.

Please don't respond if you're simply going to start spouting more BS akin to your "most juries in New Orleans are made up of felons!" crap.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#16 2005-11-01 4:53 pm

bedstuy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

oatmeal wrote:

iBubba wrote:

oatmeal wrote:

Well, he gave the source as it was presented to him*, so it isn't plagiarism...

Did he?

NokX wrote:

Subject: George Carlin on New Orleans

*IE: as in the title of an email.

No, it's not a great job of giving a source, or investigating whether the quote actually originated from the person it was attributed to... but it's considerably better than presenting it as if he had written it himself.

That's so weak.  Just because it says "subject" doesn't tell us a thing.  It could have been an office memo he found on the school bus to middle school.  Give me a break.  It it's something the infiltrated his email box sent through some lazy daisy-chain of wannabe GOP activists he should state this is the case.  The way it's presented is that it's by George Carlin with no legitimate attribution as to the source.  Imagine if everyone on here started to do this.  Not that there's much discussion with NokX's posts lately because he seems to daily slap one up and then run away.  If you're going to author a post stick around and play!

It's so useless posting anything from an email on a public message board for debate anyway as it's source can't be verified even for simple accuracy.

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#17 2005-11-01 5:16 pm

macnuke
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

bratboy wrote:

Please don't respond if you're simply going to start spouting more BS akin to your "most juries in New Orleans are made up of felons!" crap.

you got the quote wrong. but with all the time on your hand, I am sure you can go back and copy it correctly.

God forbid ( can I say that here?) i state an opinion.
this is "Ministry of Free Thought" isn't it?

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#18 2005-11-01 5:21 pm

bratboy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

macnuke wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Please don't respond if you're simply going to start spouting more BS akin to your "most juries in New Orleans are made up of felons!" crap.

you got the quote wrong. but with all the time on your hand, I am sure you can go back and copy it correctly.

God forbid ( can I say that here?) i state an opinion.
this is "Ministry of Free Thought" isn't it?

Well I'd hate to disappoint you.

macnuke wrote:

a jury of your peers in NO usually meant it was a jury of convicts anyway.
and yes, they accept those as jurors because they had served their time and were "rehabilitated"
besides, if they didn't accept cons as jurors, juries would be comprised of the same 12 virgins for every trial.

You're entitled to your opinion.  You're not entitled to your own facts.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#19 2005-11-01 7:16 pm

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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

If anyone saw him on Bill Maher's HBO show in 9-9-05, you'd know this is complete bullsmurf.

Here's a few quotes from that show:

(and don't forget...he has an HBO special on the 5th!)

CARLIN: Jim, Jim, calm down. Calm down. [laughter] You began to say – you began a sentence a little while ago with, “It's not a surprise, it shouldn't be a surprise.” It shouldn't be a surprise that rich, white men don't care about poor, black people, period. [applause] [cheers] So they're not high on their list.

CARLIN: [overlapping] They're not high on the conscious or the subconscious lists of those people who are in charge of things in this country: the owners. Forget these foolish elections. The owners of this country don't care about the poor, in general.
 
GLASSMAN: The owners of this country? What are we – is this Karl Marx talking to me? The owners of this country are the voters of this country.
 
CARLIN: No, no, you're wrong about that, my friend. You're absolutely wrong. Listen, politics – these elections are a charade; they're a charade—[applause] [cheers] It is – they are meant to – I'll tell you, listen, just listen for a minute and learn a little something. Elections and politicians are in place in order to give Americans the illusion that they have freedom of choice. You don't really have choice in this country. [applause] [cheers]

CARLIN: I have an addendum to that. The real looting in this country takes place in the transfer of the wealth from the poor to the rich. I'm sorry that you don't like class and the truth, my friend—[applause]—but you're stuck with it. Class is class and the poor have been systematically looted in this country. The rich have been made richer under this criminal, fascist president and his government. [applause] [cheers]

CARLIN: When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. [laughter] Fascism – Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend.

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#20 2005-11-01 8:05 pm

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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Where is the "I'm-on-my-smurfing-feet-clapping-until-my-oh-sweet-loving-smurf-arms-are-bloody-stumps" Max when I need it? Awesome find, mentholiptus.


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#21 2005-11-01 8:32 pm

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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Are there any actual non-falified links that can back up that particular poster's opinion?


Note: please delete this post.

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#22 2005-11-01 8:50 pm

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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)


http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/sigs/sigimage.php?u=37350

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#23 2005-11-01 9:51 pm

bedstuy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

I'm still trying to figure out what the particular opinion was

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#24 2005-11-01 9:53 pm

dv
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

He hates poor people.

Either that or he supports legislation which would force Wal-Mart and McDonalds to pay whatever passes for a living wage in a given area, depending on whether the employee has a family of not. I'm not sure which.


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#25 2005-11-01 10:11 pm

bedstuy
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Re: A Few Hurricane Rules (NOT by George Carlin)

Who's "he"?

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