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#26 2005-06-16 12:43 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

From the Geneva Convention website.

International Rules About Soldiers

The Geneva Conventions and supplementary protocols make a distinction between combatants and civilians.

The two groups must be treated differently by the warring sides and, therefore, combatants must be clearly distinguishable from civilians.

Although this obligation benefits civilians by making it easier for the warring sides to avoid targeting non-combatants, soldiers also benefit because they become immune from prosecution for acts of war.

For example, a civilian who shoots a sholdier may be liable for murder while a soldier who shoots an enemy soldier and is captured may not be punished.

In order for the distinction between combatants and civilians to be clear, combatants must wear uniforms and carry their weapons openly during military operations and during preparation for them.

The exceptions are medical and religious personnel, who are considered non-combatants even though they may wear uniforms. Medical personnel may also carry small arms to use in self-defense if illegally attacked.

The other exception are mercenaries, who are specifically excluded from protections. Mercenaries are defined as soldiers who are not nationals of any of the parties to the conflict and are paid more than the local soldiers.

Combatants who deliberately violate the rules about maintaining a clear separation between combatant and noncombatant groups

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#27 2005-06-16 12:49 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

everlong205 wrote:

From the Geneva Convention website.

International Rules About Soldiers

The Geneva Conventions and supplementary protocols make a distinction between combatants and civilians.

The two groups must be treated differently by the warring sides and, therefore, combatants must be clearly distinguishable from civilians.

Although this obligation benefits civilians by making it easier for the warring sides to avoid targeting non-combatants, soldiers also benefit because they become immune from prosecution for acts of war.

For example, a civilian who shoots a sholdier may be liable for murder while a soldier who shoots an enemy soldier and is captured may not be punished.

In order for the distinction between combatants and civilians to be clear, combatants must wear uniforms and carry their weapons openly during military operations and during preparation for them.

The exceptions are medical and religious personnel, who are considered non-combatants even though they may wear uniforms. Medical personnel may also carry small arms to use in self-defense if illegally attacked.

The other exception are mercenaries, who are specifically excluded from protections. Mercenaries are defined as soldiers who are not nationals of any of the parties to the conflict and are paid more than the local soldiers.

Combatants who deliberately violate the rules about maintaining a clear separation between combatant and noncombatant groups


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#28 2005-06-16 2:22 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Jeepers, I was going to make a smartass comment that the odds are this bad guy was probably the number 2 man in Al Qaeda since so many of the people we catch seem to hold that spot, but cyberpaws beat me to it in the very first post of the thread.

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#29 2005-06-16 2:30 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Well, y'see, they keep movin' up...

Capture No 2, then No 3 becomes the new No 2, and so on. Kinda like terrist-Tetris.

If we got Osammy the whole thing'll just fall apart.


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#30 2005-06-16 3:56 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

:shakes head:

WWJD?

Apparently shove white-hot iron toothpicks under the nails of terrists. The right wing smurf of this new era simply amaze me.


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#31 2005-06-16 4:06 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

iBubba wrote:

:shakes head:

WWJD?

Apparently shove white-hot iron toothpicks under the nails of terrists. The right wing smurf of this new era simply amaze me.

And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#32 2005-06-16 4:21 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

iBubba wrote:

:shakes head:

WWJD?

Apparently shove white-hot iron toothpicks under the nails of terrists. The right wing smurf of this new era simply amaze me.

And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?


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#33 2005-06-16 4:42 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

HeadonaStick wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

iBubba wrote:

:shakes head:

WWJD?

Apparently shove white-hot iron toothpicks under the nails of terrists. The right wing smurf of this new era simply amaze me.

And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

Do you expect a rational response from him?


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#34 2005-06-16 4:46 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

From the article:

Talha surrendered to multinational forces in a quiet neighborhood in Mosul, Alston said, after information from Iraqi civilians contributed to his capture.

I consider this bit of info to be much more important than the person who was captured (and whether we can get any information out of him, tortured or not).


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#35 2005-06-16 5:04 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

HeadonaStick wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

iBubba wrote:

:shakes head:

WWJD?

Apparently shove white-hot iron toothpicks under the nails of terrists. The right wing smurf of this new era simply amaze me.

And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

But everyone is worried about how the Muslim community "feels".  smurf them... You don't feel bad for someone's feelings unless you are going to attempt to become friends with them.  Otherwise people don't care about people feelings, correct? Or is this just one of these liberal things I'll never understand?


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#36 2005-06-16 5:06 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

HeadonaStick wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:


And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

But everyone is worried about how the Muslim community "feels".  smurf them...

So now we're at war with ALL muslims?

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#37 2005-06-16 5:09 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

bedstuy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

HeadonaStick wrote:


Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

But everyone is worried about how the Muslim community "feels".  smurf them...

So now we're at war with ALL muslims?

No, and unthankfully the liberals, and the newspapers aren't giving that message to the general population.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#38 2005-06-16 5:24 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:


But everyone is worried about how the Muslim community "feels".  smurf them...

So now we're at war with ALL muslims?

No, and unthankfully the liberals, and the newspapers aren't giving that message to the general population.

That's because liberals control all news media in this country and are the Bogey Men.

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#39 2005-06-16 5:59 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

bedstuy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

bedstuy wrote:


So now we're at war with ALL muslims?

No, and unthankfully the liberals, and the newspapers aren't giving that message to the general population.

That's because liberals control all news media in this country and are the Bogey Men.

Can't disagree with that. Well at least print and TV, radio is a mix.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#40 2005-06-16 6:16 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

HeadonaStick wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

iBubba wrote:

:shakes head:

WWJD?

Apparently shove white-hot iron toothpicks under the nails of terrists. The right wing smurf of this new era simply amaze me.

And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

You can use this picture I modified for MAF: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rojailal/editCP2.jpg


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#41 2005-06-16 6:17 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:


No, and unthankfully the liberals, and the newspapers aren't giving that message to the general population.

That's because liberals control all news media in this country and are the Bogey Men.

Can't disagree with that. Well at least print and TV, radio is a mix.

It's because of the Jews.

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#42 2005-06-16 6:27 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

mo' ron wrote:

HeadonaStick wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:


And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

You can use this picture I modified for MAF: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rojailal/editCP2.jpg

Does your facility know you are putting that stuff on their server?


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#43 2005-06-16 6:30 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

mo' ron wrote:

HeadonaStick wrote:


Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

You can use this picture I modified for MAF: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rojailal/editCP2.jpg

Does your facility know you are putting that stuff on their server?

Probably not explicitly, but I can put whatever I want on my personal webspace, as long as it doesn't violate any laws, and I don't make any money.


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#44 2005-06-16 6:38 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

HeadonaStick wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:


And the ignorance of the liberal in this day and age astounds me too... especially thoes who think we can make friends with people who have already proven if given a chance they would rather kill us than to be friends, or even have peace.

Not torturing someone isn't the same as befriending them. Are you not embarrassed that this needs to be pointed out to you?

But everyone is worried about how the Muslim community "feels".  smurf them... You don't feel bad for someone's feelings unless you are going to attempt to become friends with them.  Otherwise people don't care about people feelings, correct? Or is this just one of these liberal things I'll never understand?

Some, like yourself, are only concerned with oneself. smurf everyone else, in so long as you're sure to get your way. Right? You're so preposterous, i can't even imagine being you for one second, smurfing self-centered prick.


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#45 2005-06-16 6:44 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

There has been quite a disturbing trend lately: everyone seems to think it's open season on Cyberpaws because his opinions differ from their own. 

That's not good.  It's not good when one member does that to any other member, but everyone's coming down on CP lately.

Disagreement, contradiction, hell, even contempt for his opinions are fine.  Attacks on him personally are right out, they need to stop and they need to stop NOW.

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#46 2005-06-16 7:00 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

oatmeal wrote:

There has been quite a disturbing trend lately: everyone seems to think it's open season on Cyberpaws because his opinions differ from their own. 

That's not good.  It's not good when one member does that to any other member, but everyone's coming down on CP lately.

Disagreement, contradiction, hell, even contempt for his opinions are fine.  Attacks on him personally are right out, they need to stop and they need to stop NOW.

OK.  Personally, I will make an attempt to confine my disagreement and contempt to his opinions only. 

However, I vehemently disagree that the reason people feel it's open season on him is because his opinions differ.  --That is not the case at all. 
More likely causes of the backlash against Cyberpawz are his plagiarism, his racist remarks, and his advocating violations of basic human rights. 

Camp David's banning is looking much less justified in comparison.

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#47 2005-06-16 7:10 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

I feel personally with special cases such as this guy should be allowed to be exported to a country to be given the full gambit of treatment, even if that means torture... if he doesn't talk in the first 72 hrs.

I miss America. I loved her. She's gone. She's been replaced with this. The America I loved did not believe in torturing anyone. cry We were better than that.


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#48 2005-06-16 7:26 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

debbiedowner wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

I feel personally with special cases such as this guy should be allowed to be exported to a country to be given the full gambit of treatment, even if that means torture... if he doesn't talk in the first 72 hrs.

I miss America. I loved her. She's gone. She's been replaced with this. The America I loved did not believe in torturing anyone. cry We were better than that.

Are we, or are we fooling ourselves? This reminds me of Star Trek to an extent, the Humans are superior than thou attitudes, saying they are the best in the world, but when it comes to the time to fight, they are as down and dirty as the next species...

The United States, or at least the people inside it think we are a great people whom can do no wrong, we are better than everyone else in the world.  That is our biggest downfall.  We aren't, it's an image that is going to destroy the US in the long run.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#49 2005-06-16 7:30 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Cyberpawz wrote:

The United States, or at least the people inside it think we are a great people whom can do no wrong, we are better than everyone else in the world.  That is our biggest downfall.  We aren't, it's an image that is going to destroy the US in the long run.

eek

Why do you hate America?

If you don't like it, why don't you just leave?

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#50 2005-06-16 7:31 pm

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Re: Al Qaeda leader in Mosul captured

Our actions are speaking far louder than our words.  We claim to have the moral high ground, to be above such barbaric practices... and then we turn around and ship people to countries that are that barbaric without really even trying to pretend like we're not?  What's the freaking point?  It sure doesn't keep our hands clean, and it's not fooling anyone.

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