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#126 2005-06-09 2:55 pm

JakeTheTall
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Re: The Teaching of Math....

bratboy wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

I should hunt around for the numbers...I think the amount the US imports from China is surprisingly LOW.  The increases are impressive, but Japan and the EU have been around as exporters to the US for a long time.

One issue with Cyberpawz statement is "majority"...I don't think any single country can claim more than 20% of total goods imported into the United States.  But Mister Cyberpawz always does like an incorrect, oversimplified economic picture.

He wasn't talking only about "importing" though...something about the U.S. using their "cheap labor."

True enough.

But then the question is....how would the US take advantage (i.e. using) of cheap labor, if it doesn't import goods created by that labor?

Or are there vast numbers of Chinese coming across the US-Mexican border, undercutting wages ?


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#127 2005-06-09 3:02 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

JakeTheTall wrote:

bratboy wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

I should hunt around for the numbers...I think the amount the US imports from China is surprisingly LOW.  The increases are impressive, but Japan and the EU have been around as exporters to the US for a long time.

One issue with Cyberpawz statement is "majority"...I don't think any single country can claim more than 20% of total goods imported into the United States.  But Mister Cyberpawz always does like an incorrect, oversimplified economic picture.

He wasn't talking only about "importing" though...something about the U.S. using their "cheap labor."

True enough.

But then the question is....how would the US take advantage (i.e. using) of cheap labor, if it doesn't import goods created by that labor?

Or are there vast numbers of Chinese coming across the US-Mexican border, undercutting wages ?

An item that comes from China costs 1/2 to a 1/3 less than if the US built it. Just read a little and you'll see anything done in the US adds cost to the final product.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0, … in_tff_top


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#128 2005-06-09 3:09 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Cyberpawz wrote:

An item that comes from China costs 1/2 to a 1/3 less than if the US built it. Just read a little and you'll see anything done in the US adds cost to the final product.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0, … in_tff_top

I'm pretty sure he (and everyone else here) is aware of that.

lol


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#129 2005-06-09 3:10 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

midgetcop wrote:

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

...its so easy to get those Asian countries confused...

sneaky

Never call a norweigan a swede - those asians really don't like it.

You can call me a Swede *any* day.

hubba

But you're not even an asian!


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2. ???????? (use your imagination)
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#130 2005-06-09 3:25 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

mahakali wrote:

But you're not even an asian!

Xenophobe!!

whaa

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#131 2005-06-09 3:46 pm

JakeTheTall
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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

bratboy wrote:


He wasn't talking only about "importing" though...something about the U.S. using their "cheap labor."

True enough.

But then the question is....how would the US take advantage (i.e. using) of cheap labor, if it doesn't import goods created by that labor?

Or are there vast numbers of Chinese coming across the US-Mexican border, undercutting wages ?

An item that comes from China costs 1/2 to a 1/3 less than if the US built it. Just read a little and you'll see anything done in the US adds cost to the final product.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0, … in_tff_top

Are you saying that's a good thing, a bad thing, or that I'm wrong ?


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#132 2005-06-09 3:48 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

JakeTheTall wrote:

zdecker wrote:

Sternum wrote:

Perhaps you're thinking...

My guess would be no. 


And perhaps this is beside the point, but I believe the US imports much more from China nowadays than from Japan. 
I guess that would take us back to the "use for a majority of our products" question.

I should hunt around for the numbers...I think the amount the US imports from China is surprisingly LOW.  The increases are impressive, but Japan and the EU have been around as exporters to the US for a long time.

One issue with Cyberpawz statement is "majority"...I don't think any single country can claim more than 20% of total goods imported into the United States.  But Mister Cyberpawz always does like an incorrect, oversimplified economic picture.

That was what I used to think as well.  I think it may have changed over the past few years.  Looking at the total $ for imports here it looks like China has quite the hefty lead over Japan. 

Given all the 'Made in China' stamps I find on most of the stuff I buy, I am not surprised. 
Those people over there sure are busy making stuff.  smile

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#133 2005-06-09 3:48 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

JakeTheTall wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:


True enough.

But then the question is....how would the US take advantage (i.e. using) of cheap labor, if it doesn't import goods created by that labor?

Or are there vast numbers of Chinese coming across the US-Mexican border, undercutting wages ?

An item that comes from China costs 1/2 to a 1/3 less than if the US built it. Just read a little and you'll see anything done in the US adds cost to the final product.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0, … in_tff_top

Are you saying that's a good thing, a bad thing, or that I'm wrong ?

Personally a bad thing, things should not be inflated that much.


Governing sense, mind and intellect, intent of liberation, free from desire, fear and anger, the sage is forever free.

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#134 2005-06-09 3:58 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Cyberpawz wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:


An item that comes from China costs 1/2 to a 1/3 less than if the US built it. Just read a little and you'll see anything done in the US adds cost to the final product.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0, … in_tff_top

Are you saying that's a good thing, a bad thing, or that I'm wrong ?

Personally a bad thing, things should not be inflated that much.

You realize that makes goods cheaper ?  Cars, computers, clothes, everything.  Americans tend to be better at doing other tasks, like management, programming, research and development, exploiting others, etc. 

I don't think its possible, realistic, or desirable for the American worker to be the best at ALL tasks.


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#135 2005-06-09 4:07 pm

JakeTheTall
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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Hum, found this info from here.

Canada had the most exports to the US, at 17.4 % (of total imports into the US), with China number two at 13.4%.  Just the listed EU countries (clearly the largest exporters) totalled more than 15%.

Forgot about Canada, myself.  <insert joke here>

And of course China's number will grow, and maybe to a large amount.  Cheaper trousers galore!


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#136 2005-06-09 5:37 pm

StaticAge
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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Cyberpawz, for someone supposedly griping about how well learned certain persons are, you have demonstrated yourself as a piss poor student.

1) Plagarized a story as your own.
2) Using terrible logic, blamed language for problems in arithmetic
3) Claimed without providing any reason or evidence:
   a. "the people who are in Burger Kings etc will be controlling our future"
   b. "Spanish is useless when you get up in the world"
   c. "Once [the language barrier] is broken, then everything else falls into place"
   d.  teachers spend "more time speaking two languages than they do teaching"
   e. "we are not going to see another century of this government"
   f.  ...and many more... (like "Spanish isn't in the equation")
4) Assert that Japan is a third world country with a poor education system that is taken advantage of to provide cheap labor.
5) Demonstrating math skills that call 20% a "majority"

Maybe its not your fault. Do you speak any spanish?

Last edited by StaticAge (2005-06-09 5:38 pm)


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#137 2005-06-09 5:39 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

isaly wrote:

cyberpawz wrote:

Of course you'd never know that since the chance of you getting on my buddy list is slim to nil.

Oh sleep. . . doth thou evade me?

Best post ever.


"Live with your head in the lion's mouth. I want you to overcome 'em with yeses, undermine 'em with grins, agree 'em to death and destruction, let 'em swoller you till they vomit or bust wide open." -Ralph Ellison

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#138 2005-06-09 6:15 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Excellent summary, Mister StaticAge.  Thank you.


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#139 2005-06-09 6:29 pm

Shlo
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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Cyberpawz wrote:

Shlo wrote:

Upon reading your post I have come to the conclusion that you are a douche.

And you dear sir, and an ignorant patsy...

Are you just trying to prove a point, or call people names?

Just the name calling, really.

Douche.


Rozzlapeed:I remember hearing that Gen. Horner, CENTCOM commander in Gulf War I, is one of the signatories. I think we can trust his point-of-view to an extent.
Cyberpawz:Yeah, and what has he done since?

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#140 2005-06-09 6:35 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Cyberpawz wrote:

And yet we use one of those two (Finland or Japan) for a majority of our products I wonder why?  Cheap uneducated labor...

Cheap, uneducated labor? In Japan? Are you confusing it with China? It's easy to do. One is enormous and filled with cheap uneducated labor and the other is not.


If any ask us why we died,
Tell them 'Because our fathers lied'.
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#141 2005-06-09 6:56 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Onthebeach wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

And yet we use one of those two (Finland or Japan) for a majority of our products I wonder why?  Cheap uneducated labor...

Cheap, uneducated labor? In Japan? Are you confusing it with China? It's easy to do. One is enormous and filled with cheap uneducated labor and the other is not.

lol


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                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#142 2005-06-09 7:08 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

benightedbastard wrote:

StaticAge wrote:

benightedbastard wrote:

I bet there were arithmetically illiterate people in 1950 too.

No, because back then no one spoke spanish- dont you get it?

Que?

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#143 2005-06-09 7:13 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

And don't forget Finland, world famous for it's large, uneducated, Spanish-speaking workforce and it's invasion of cheaply produced "Made in Finland" products.

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#144 2005-06-09 7:14 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

YOU FORGOT POLAND!


Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.

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#145 2005-06-09 7:39 pm

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Re: The Teaching of Math....

Boy, I wish I had caught this before it went to six pages.  If for no other reason: 

1) Plagarized a story as your own.

12) Do not plagiarize.
- Plagiarize, as defined by the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary is
         transitive senses : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own :
                                                  use (another's production) without crediting the source
         intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
- Don't do it.  Any thread that starts with plagiarism will be locked as soon as the theft is discovered and the person who stole another's idea will be exposed.
- Cite your source when you quote something from another website; include a link back to the source whenever possilble.

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